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bit towards. >> john:. he didn't need to -- -- towards john mccain, and he didn't need to. and so ultimately the point of the book is don't fall for it again, america. >> one of the policies that came out of the 1970's is affirmative action. it'll be reviewed again by the supreme court in just another week and a half or so. so what are your views about the effectiveness or lack thereof of affirmative action? >> well, um, my lawfirm, center for individual rights, brought the case against my alma mater, university of michigan law school. we won the law school case. we lost the undergrad case. and i think at this point, it is -- and there's been more recent studies about how it is a disaster for black people, but mostly i think it's a disaster for america at this point. i will say that -- >> why? >> i think you erase discrimination but not discriminating on the basis of race. that's the way you do it. but i will say, one of the things conservatives have generally not liked about richard nixon is, of course, he was the first one to impose racial quotas, time lines on the construction
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